Ryan Wilson: Time To Play Penguins Myths Versus Penguins Reality Time To Play Penguins Myths Versus Penguins Reality

Ryan Wilson: Time To Play Penguins Myths Versus Penguins Reality
Time To Play Penguins Myths Versus Penguins Reality
- Ryan_Wilson

I feel like this could have had a lot more graphs and charts

Be interesting if the pens do send out 71 after the season. I'm not supporting that but is just like to see these arrogant bloggers lose their minds.

Be interesting if the pens do send out 71 after the season. I'm not supporting that but is just like to see these arrogant bloggers lose their minds.
- dbell646

I feel like if you are going to trade one of the two, it has to be Crosby... he will just get more of a return since hes the face of the league.

For example... lets say Arizona gets the #1 pick, they would love Crosby (I think the management would) for the draw out there. They don't have great attendance, and they have some good young players to trade for Crosby.



And no, I am NOT in favor of trading Malkin or Crosby whatsoever.

I dont blame the coach, Im not sure I blame sid geno or fleury entirely for the underachievements of the last 5 seasons, but I do know I am getting tired of having 2 of the best players in the world and consistently shtiting the bed...injuries are a valid excuse, but is it really just bad luck that we are consistently at the top of the man games lost list?

I feel like if you are going to trade one of the two, it has to be Crosby... he will just get more of a return since hes the face of the league.

For example... lets say Arizona gets the #1 pick, they would love Crosby (I think the management would) for the draw out there. They don't have great attendance, and they have some good young players to trade for Crosby.



And no, I am NOT in favor of trading Malkin or Crosby whatsoever.
- Guile

I just can't see Crosby going out he fills the seats and sells jerseys. It would be based strictly on business not abilities

I just can't see Crosby going out he fills the seats and sells jerseys. It would be based strictly on business not abilities
- dbell646

We would still very likely sell out if Crosby got traded. We'd have an immense about of female doging, but we are still a playoff contender with the return he'd get.

We would still very likely sell out if Crosby got traded. We'd have an immense about of female doging, but we are still a playoff contender with the return he'd get.
- Guile

I'm not saying one or the other is a bad idea necessarily, but the real question is do you trust your current management to make that trade?

I feel like if you are going to trade one of the two, it has to be Crosby... he will just get more of a return since hes the face of the league.

For example... lets say Arizona gets the #1 pick, they would love Crosby (I think the management would) for the draw out there. They don't have great attendance, and they have some good young players to trade for Crosby.



And no, I am NOT in favor of trading Malkin or Crosby whatsoever.
- Guile

This is obviously a moot point because they aren't trading Crosby.

That said, I see no reason for ARI to trade for him. If they have the #1 pick, Connor McDavid is likely to be probably pretty close to as good as Crosby is. He's also younger, has no concussion history and is exponentially cheaper. Crosby would be a quick fix for them but if they truly want to build a winner then letting McDavid develop and eventually center Duclair and Domi is the way to go.

I'm not saying one or the other is a bad idea necessarily, but the real question is do you trust your current management to make that trade?
- Isles_since_6

You can't really win a trade of either so it doesn't really matter. But no

I don't always agree with Ryan, but have to say that for the most part, he is spot on here. You don't trade Crosby or Malkin unless one indicates they are ready to move on.

On the other hand, changes do need to be made. They need to take a hard look at the medical staff and how they evaluate whats going on with the players. This goes all the way back to 87's concussions, but most recenytly to Maatta's shoulder problems. How much better would they be today if they had simply let his shoulder fully heal and brought him back in say, December or January?

The other very real questions are:
-Does Mario continue to trust Rutherford to manage this roster to make it deeper and a real cup contender? On one hand, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt as he's really hamstrung by some of Sher's contracts, but on the other hand, he also trades Simon Despres for Ben Lovejoy and put them in a really bad spot capwise by having to go with 5 D. Say what you will about Shero, but cap management stuff like that never happened under his watch.
-I have no issue with Johnston as a coach, but the question is do the players respect him enough to listen to him? I don't think anyone can answer that, but this is an organization whose players ran Scotty Bowman out of town, and now one of the guys who was behind that is now the owner. As much as I love Mario for what he has done for this city, I always have to wonder how having a former player as the owner impacts how players view the coaching staff today.

This is obviously a moot point because they aren't trading Crosby.

That said, I see no reason for ARI to trade for him. If they have the #1 pick, Connor McDavid is likely to be probably pretty close to as good as Crosby is. He's also younger, has no concussion history and is exponentially cheaper. Crosby would be a quick fix for them but if they truly want to build a winner then letting McDavid develop and eventually center Duclair and Domi is the way to go.
- eichiefs9

A lot of assumptions about mcdavid

This is obviously a moot point because they aren't trading Crosby.

That said, I see no reason for ARI to trade for him. If they have the #1 pick, Connor McDavid is likely to be probably pretty close to as good as Crosby is. He's also younger, has no concussion history and is exponentially cheaper. Crosby would be a quick fix for them but if they truly want to build a winner then letting McDavid develop and eventually center Duclair and Domi is the way to go.
- eichiefs9

I highly doubt Crosby is waiving his no trade clause to go to Arizona either. Same thing with Malkin. If the Pens decide to move one of these guys it is going to be very short lists of where either would accept a trade to I have to imagine.

I'm not saying one or the other is a bad idea necessarily, but the real question is do you trust your current management to make that trade?
- Isles_since_6

I don't trust ANY management to make that big landmark of a trade

I feel like this could have had a lot more graphs and charts
- Guile

lol agree

I don't know why anyone thinks it is going to get any better. Rutherford had a decent year, but certainly not good enough. If you look at his recent history in Carolina, it's been mostly terrible decisions. I simply don't trust him at all.

This is obviously a moot point because they aren't trading Crosby.

That said, I see no reason for ARI to trade for him. If they have the #1 pick, Connor McDavid is likely to be probably pretty close to as good as Crosby is. He's also younger, has no concussion history and is exponentially cheaper. Crosby would be a quick fix for them but if they truly want to build a winner then letting McDavid develop and eventually center Duclair and Domi is the way to go.
- eichiefs9

That is the point right there... "likely". If you are the GM and Owner, do you want to risk a possible let down of a first round pick, or take a sure thing?

And the cheaper... they aren't near the cap max, that shouldn't be much of, if any, of a factor.

All kidding aside, expecting this team to win consistently down the stretch without Maata, Erhoff and Letang and with Malkin in and out of the lineup is just ridiculous. As a Flyer fan, I hate the Pens (though not as much as the Rangers, LOL), but injuries, for sure, have decimated this team.

I still think they squeak in, but without those 3 dmen, they will not win a round. They just don't have the horses.

Going to the game tonight cant wait feels like playoffs the atmosphere will be awesome

Why would Crosby or Malkin agree to go to horrible team? Their NTC's would really hurt any return.

It's the horrible deals to guys that suck that is killing this team.

Why would Crosby or Malkin agree to go to horrible team? Their NTC's would really hurt any return.

It's the horrible deals to guys that suck that is killing this team.
- LetsGoPens!!

Don't bring up NTC... that really ruins the hypotheticalness in the nonexistent possibilities.

Why would Crosby or Malkin agree to go to horrible team? Their NTC's would really hurt any return.

It's the horrible deals to guys that suck that is killing this team.
- LetsGoPens!!

They wouldn't. It's a complete waste to talk about trading 87 or 71 unless they explicitly said they wanted to be traded. The team needs a GM that is going to get more cost-effective depth players. Rutherford made just as many bad moves as he made good moves.

Don't bring up NTC... that really ruins the hypotheticalness in the nonexistent possibilities.
- Guile

My bad!

Sorry but I feel that trading Malkin/Crosby/Letang is the dumbest idea ever. There is no need to trade those guys. They are all tops in their point production, Crosby is 1, Malkin is 13 with 66 games played, Letang is 5th among D.... trading those guys is dumb. RW hit the nail on the head with

"Pittsburgh consistently overpays for average to below average players. Never do this. Average isn’t that hard to find. Rob Scuderi, Brandon Sutter, Nick Spaling, Craig Adams, and Max Lapierre add up to 10.675M on the cap space. This isn’t a good return for the investment."

That is the problem with the Penguins, those are the depth problems that make this team fall well below of expectations. You guys who mentioned trading Geno for Pac/Galchenyuk... you really think that a lineup of

Perron-Sid-Horn
Pac-Galch-Kunitz
Comeau-Sutter-Winnik
Adams-Spaling-Lapierre/Downie

is better than...

Perron-Sid-Horn
Comeau-Malkin-Kunitz
Winnik-Sutter-Downie
Adams-Spaling-Lapierre

???

If in fact that lineup is "better" it is marginally better. Malkin can and has taken over games, I don't think Galch or Pac can do that when Sid gets shut down. I really like those 2 players, but to trade for them with Malkin? That's just nonsense. The problem lies in the bottom 6, as always. Adams, Spaling, Lapierre, Sutter. Replace them with adequate NHL players and it takes the burden off of 87/71. Scuderi is just awful as usual. These players are what drag the Penguins down, and injuries, which is a fact. And yes, the depth behind the injuries sucks... but trading Geno for Pac/Galch does nothing for depth after injuries. It's essentially replacing one beast's production with 2 solid hockey players. What if Pac or Galch goes down? We all cry about depth again... If the GM and cap management would improve, this team would improve. It has nothing to do with 87/71/58...